[TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Post-quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3

Bas Westerbaan <bas@cloudflare.com> Fri, 10 October 2025 09:31 UTC

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:31:27 +0200
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Post-quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3
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Setting aside the question of use cases for a moment, let me note that no
one even bothered to ask IANA to assign codepoints for any hybrid not
already listed in this I-D. I see no reason to hold up this document now:
we can always publish a follow-up later on.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 9:17 AM Kris Kwiatkowski <kris=
40amongbytes.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> It was suggested in the past (both at the mailing list and at github),
> but the decision was made not to include this option since the use case
> for that combination was unclear. At the same time, keeping the number
> of algorithms to a minimum was considered beneficial.
>
> What would be the use case for that code point?
>
> On 10/10/2025 07:23, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 07, 2025 at 09:39:52AM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >
> >> For context, there are currently four such supported groups for TLS:
> >> X25519, X448, P-256, and P-384. Is there a substantive reason why the
> >> hybrids of these same groups with MLKEM ought not to be RECOMMENDED=Y?
> > I was just drafting a message to suggest that the draf is missing an
> > obvious combination:
> >
> >      MLKEM1024 + X448
> >
> > If MLKEM1024 is supported with SecP384r1 (P-384), it should also be
> > supported with X448.  The supported combinations would then be more
> > "natural":
> >
> >      MLKEM768 + either P-256 or X25519
> >      MLKEM1024 + either P-384 or X448
> >
>
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