Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: TLS 1.3 Authentication and Integrity only Cipher Suites

[Rob Sayre <[e-mail]>]

I also do not support this draft. Don't all of these proposals come with
claims about efficiency and latency? It's getting old. Sorry if that sounds
cynical.

thanks,
Rob

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:15 AM John Mattsson <john.mattsson=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> - The draft has a lot of claims regarding benefits:
>
>   "strong requirement for low latency."
>   "minimize the cryptographic algorithms are prioritized"
>   "important for latency to be very low."
>   "pay more for a sensor with encryption capability"
>   "come with a small runtime memory footprint and reduced processing
> power, the need to minimize"
>    the number of cryptographic algorithms used is prioritized."
>
>   I don't think this draft should be published as long as it gives the
> idea that sacrificing confidentiality has significant benefits for latency,
> memory, processing power, and cost. This is in general not the case.
>
>   The two cipher suites TLS_SHA256_SHA256 and TLS_SHA384_SHA384  defined
> by the draft causes much more message expansion (32 and 48 bytes tags
> instead of 16 or 8 bytes) than the already registered cipher suites for TLS
> 1.3. In many IoT radio systems with small frames this will leads to
> significantly increased latency. I think that needs to be mentioned.
>
>
> - The draft has ridiculous amount of sentences saying that confidentiality
> is not strictly needed.
>
>   "do not require confidentiality"
>   "privacy is not strictly needed"
>   "no strong requirement for confidentiality"
>   "no requirement to encrypt messages"
>   "no need for confidentiality"
>   "reduced need for confidentiality"
>   "confidentiality requirements are relaxed"
>   "do not require confidential communications"
>   "does not convey private information"
>   "without requiring the communication to/from the robotic arm to be
> encrypted"
>   "doesn't grant the attacker information that can be exploited"
>   "no confidentiality requirements"
>
>   It would be more honest if the draft simply stated that "the are use
> cases that require visibility". If visibility is not a requirement for the
> use cases, I think IETF could help you to standardize SHA-2 only cipher
> suites offering confidentiality.
>
>
> - The draft mentions that the security considerations regarding
> confidentiality and privacy does not hold. The draft does not mention that
> it breaks one of the stated security properties of TLS 1.3, namely
> "Protection of endpoint identities". This is actually quite problematic.
> EAP-TLS 1.3 relied on this stated TLS 1.3 property to be true.
>
> John
>
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