Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM resistance
"Yngve N. Pettersen (Developer Opera Software ASA)" <yngve@opera.com> Mon, 09 November 2009 20:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM resistance
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:37:46 +0100, David-Sarah Hopwood <david-sarah@jacaranda.org> wrote: > Martin Rex wrote: >> There may be SSLv3 servers out there that choke on extension data >> in the ClientHello. But that doesn't mean that one could not >> upgrade SSLv3 servers to support TLS extensions. The more interesting >> question is IMHO -- which TLS clients will choke when an SSLv3 server >> returns a ServerHello extension? spec-wise, a ServerHello extension >> is as unusual to SSLv3 as it is to TLSv1.0. > > Why would that situation arise? For that to happen, an SSL server > library would have to be upgraded to support extensions but not to > support TLS. Are there any SSL-only libraries being actively > maintained? This is unlikely to work, because at least some clients (Opera being one) will never send Extensions to SSL v3 server. In fact, Opera will not attempt Extensions to a server until it knows it is dealing with a TLS 1.0+ server, because we know there are TLS 1.0 servers that does not accept Extensions (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-interoperability-00 ). -- Sincerely, Yngve N. Pettersen ******************************************************************** Senior Developer Email: yngve@opera.com Opera Software ASA http://www.opera.com/ Phone: +47 24 16 42 60 Fax: +47 24 16 40 01 ********************************************************************
- [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM res… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Dr Stephen Henson
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yngve N. Pettersen (Developer Opera Software ASA)
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Steve Dispensa
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] To API or not Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] draft-rescorla-tls-renegotiate and MITM… Martin Rex
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- Re: [TLS] RC4+3DES rekeying - long-lived TLS conn… David-Sarah Hopwood
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