[TLS] On counting

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Sun, 29 June 2014 22:49 UTC

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On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> wrote:

> You get to have your own opinions, but try and leave the facts intact.
> 
> What I said was "There's been a small but vocal minority agitating for the adoption of Curve25519".

How is the phrase "small but vocal minority agitating" a fact? If you are comparing the number of people seeking to have Curve25519 adopted versus the number seeking to not have it adopted, the first group is actually larger than the second. If you are saying that only people who are speaking on the list want to have Curve25519 be adopted and everyone else doesn't and thus the first group is a small minority, that's a gross assumption, not a fact. You have been active in the IETF long enough to know that many people stay silent not because they agree with the way things are, but because they are sick of the tone of the discussion.

The fact is that the CFRG believes that Curve25519 is good enough for adoption in IETF standards. It's fine if you disagree, but if you want to try to be fact-based, stick to facts that you can back up.

--Paul Hoffman