Re: [TLS] draft-green-tls-static-dh-in-tls13-01

"Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net> Sat, 15 July 2017 09:16 UTC

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From: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
CC: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>, Matthew Green <matthewdgreen@gmail.com>, IETF TLS <tls@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] draft-green-tls-static-dh-in-tls13-01
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> On Jul 15, 2017, at 16:05, Dobbins, Roland <rdobbins@arbor.net> wrote:
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> There is plenty of information on these topics available on the Internet today.

At the risk of self-replying, it should also be noted that highly informative discussions of these challenges, & detailed presentations thereof, have taken place in WG meetings at previous IETF meetings.  

There has also been ample time since those discussions & presentations to gain additional understanding & insight. 

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Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net>