Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA registry rules for cipher suites

[Benjamin Kaduk <[e-mail]>]

Well, "most people [in the world" do not care about any documents the
IETF puts out.  I am not sure what population of people you are actually
trying to make a statement about.

I am not confident that adding this column will actually have a useful
impact, but I think the experiment is worth performing.

-Ben

On 03/31/2016 12:08 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> In essence you are saying that most people are not going to care about
> the Y/N in the IANA table anyway. Somewhat similar to people not
> understanding the difference between the different types of RFCs.
>
> That sounds pragmatic.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
> On 03/31/2016 06:52 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>> On 03/31/2016 11:20 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> just think about the mentioned JPAKE extension: what type of deployment
>>> can you expect? It is something that Thread decided to use. Will Thread,
>>> as a mesh networking technology, be successful and widely be deployed?
>>> We don't know yet but if it becomes a technology of choice for use with
>>> IEEE 802.15.4 then it will be fairly widely used in the IoT sector. I am
>>> sure the authors of the Thread specifications (and the members of the
>>> Thread consortium) expect their stuff to be widely used (in IoT -- not
>>> on the Web).
>> Well, for JPAKE in particular, my thoughts focus on my perception that
>> PAKE of any form is not really central to what TLS does.  Given that, I
>> personally would not advocate for a 'Y' for it, even knowing that it
>> might see wide use in IoT.
>>
>>> Is this something that is good enough for this group? Web guys will
>>> hardly care about it. A large part of the TLS group is focused on the
>>> Web use only (at least that's my impression).
>>>
>>> From the descriptions provided by Sean I don't know whether this is
>>> something that would be a "Y" blessing or not. This is what I call
>>> "sounds nice but ...".
>>>
>> Well, I would expect the authors to put the 'Y' in their IANA
>> considerations text and see if anyone complained during the last calls. 
>> I further expect that some of the web-centric folks on this list would
>> complain and probably get the 'Y' removed, but I am not seeing why this
>> is problematic.
>>
>> -Ben
>>