[TLS] Re: New Liaison Statement, "Liaison communication to IETF regarding draft-ietf-tls-mlkem"
Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Wed, 08 April 2026 00:05 UTC
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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2026 17:04:53 -0700
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Subject: [TLS] Re: New Liaison Statement, "Liaison communication to IETF regarding draft-ietf-tls-mlkem"
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2026 at 4:22 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 07/04/2026 21:35, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > > The contention is whether it should be published now or later, when > > classic protections gain us little to no benefit. > > From my POV, that mischaracterises the contention. I think > the contentious issue is whether or not to publish this with > or without caveats as to when to use it, and how to encode > any such caveats in RFC/BCP text. > There are two things here: 1) The IEEE group wants an RFC. They can advocate for this just as anyone else can. (yes!) 2) The IETF must do an RFC because the IEEE has made a requirement (no!) That cedes sovereignty, and we shouldn't do that. thanks, Rob
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