Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion so far
Marsh Ray <marsh@extendedsubset.com> Thu, 17 December 2009 22:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion so far
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Looks great to me. A few edit suggestions inline. - Marsh Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Here's proposed text for the Security Considerations section about the > identity changes. The discussion on the list seemed to favor keeping > the normative parts quite mild, so much of this is worded as advice > for people to consider (or ignore, if they so choose), not as strict > requirements: > > While this extension mitigates the man-in-the-middle attack > described in the overview, it does not resolve all possible > problems an application may face if it is unaware of renegotiation. > In particular, either the client or the server can during For example, during renegotiation either the client or the server can present... > renegotiation present a different certificate than was used > earlier, and this may become as a surprise to application earlier. This may come as a surprise > developers (who might have expected, for example, that a > "getPeerCertificates()" API call returns the same value if called > twice), and might be handled in an insecure way. > > TLS implementers are encouraged to clearly document how > renegotiation interacts with the APIs offered to applications (for > example, which API calls might return different values on different > calls, or which callbacks might get called multiple times). > > To make life simpler for applications that do not expect the peer's > certificate to change once it's been authentication, TLS > implementations MAY offer the applications the option abort the how about: "are encouraged to offer" ? > renegotiation if the peer tries to authenticate with a different > certificate and/or different server name (in the server_name > extension) than was used earlier. However, enabling this option by > default for all applications could break existing applications that > depend on using renegotiation to present multiple certificates. > TLS implementations SHOULD also offer the applications the option > to disable renegotiation completely. Consider moving this sentence above the MAY, perhaps in its own paragraph. > Finally, designers of applications that depend on renegotiation are > reminded that many TLS APIs represent application data as a simple > octet stream; applications may not be able to determine exactly > which application data octets were received before, during, or > after renegotiation. Especially if the peer presents a different > certificate during renegotiation, care is needed when specifying > how the application should handle the data. - Marsh
- [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion so f… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Blumenthal, Uri - 0662 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Stefan Santesson
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Michael Gray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Kyle Hamilton
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Michael Gray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Michael Gray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Michael Gray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Kyle Hamilton
- [TLS] OpenPGP Certs for TLS [was: Re: Summarizing… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Blumenthal, Uri - 0662 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Kyle Hamilton
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Kyle Hamilton
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Blumenthal, Uri - 0662 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Nasko Oskov
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion … Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)