[TLS] Re: Ketan Talaulikar's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-tls12-frozen-07: (with COMMENT)

[Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 8:14 AM Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Once again, I see you've decided to engage in a bit of selective
> quoting and misstating what I said in order to feed your particular
> hobby horse. My position simply isn't that the Web is the only use
> of TLS,
>

or even the only important use of TLS.

-Ekr


> but I doubt anything I say will disabuse you of your misimpression.
>
> -Ekr
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 6:29 AM Peter Gutmann <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> >This is a somewhat clearly unspecified set, and in the first sentence
>> (which
>> >you trimmed for some reason), I explicitly express some concern about
>> this
>> >ambiguity.
>>
>> That's not really helping your case.  The bit I cut (the OP's text and the
>> start of yours) to avoid quoting a huge block of text never mentioned the
>> web,
>> or anything else specific, but adding that to the quoted text would
>> emphasise
>> even more that you responded to a nonspecific comment with a reply that
>> assumed that nothing apart from the web exists.  Your "explicitly
>> expressed
>> concern" just says "I assume everyone's using a web browser" ("Under the
>> assumption you mean "our customers", then those people are probably
>> coming in
>> via a Web browser") which is exactly the point I was making: The
>> assumption is
>> that if someone is using TLS then it must be web use.  Nothing else gets
>> any
>> consideration, and the WG has been like that for years (with a token
>> acknowledgement of use by telcos because they're big enough that you can't
>> really ignore them).
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>