Re: [TLS] draft-mcgrew-tls-aes-ccm-ecc-00 (again)

Juho Vähä-Herttua <> Thu, 06 January 2011 14:50 UTC

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On 6.1.2011, at 16.36, Don Sturek wrote:
> I wanted to bring up the draft presented by David McGrew last July (in Maastricht) one more time.  The draft (now expired I think) is  "AES-CCM ECC Cipher Suites for TLS", draft-mcgrew-tls-aes-ccm- ecc-00.
> I know there was a thread last summer on this.  I am part of the ZigBee Alliance implementing TLS for an IEEE 802.15.4 application.   We would like the TLS group to consider (or maybe re-consider though I never saw any formal disposition of this on the reflector) the use of David’s draft for IEEE 802.15.4 networks.

The discussion thread can be seen in and the main problems are pretty much mentioned in the later post

Basically the proposed draft should probably be divided into smaller parts. One part would define the AES-CCM cipher suites in a way that would be interoperable with existing TLS cipher suites. Another part would describe the use of TLS and AES-CCM in IEEE 802.15.4 networks, including forbidding the use of other than ECDSA certificates and forbidding the elliptic_curves and ec_point_formats extension.

> I think CCM is a common cipher suite for IEEE802 and this draft matches what is specified in IEEE (and implemented in hardware in millions of devices).

From what I can tell, the draft was not interoperable with existing cipher suites for no apparent reason (other than that's how ZigBee uses it). But if that can be fixed then there should be no problem including AES-CCM in TLS.