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[TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Complaint to chairs regarding false claim of consensus to issue an RFC for draft-ietf-tls-mldsa

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Wed, 06 May 2026 02:04 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 May 2026 19:04:23 -0700
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On Tue, May 5, 2026 at 6:36 PM Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <
uri@ll.mit.edu> wrote:

> How would I know — my SNMP code has/had been running in *all* of the IBM
> products, including AS/400 (you can appreciate this fact only if you know
> what kind of beast that nice machine is).
>


OK, there's no argument here. I know exactly what an AS/400 is (novel
storage/filesystem), but I would have been a toddler when it was released.

I understand avoiding managing people (it sucks, it is repetitive, and
there is a limit on the amount of interpersonal conflicts one
can deal with).

But all that is to say you still have to let the chairs do that part,
because that is a meta task.

thanks,
Rob

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