[TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Long-term Support
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From: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>
To: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>, TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Long-term Support
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On 22/11/2024, 13:37, Yaron Sheffer yaronf.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > My point was much broader though: the IETF is sending deployers a bunch > of mixed messages, and this is on us as a community. > > RFC 9325 basically tells them: we prefer that you switch to TLS 1.3, but if > you absolutely cannot do that, here’s how you can configure the existing > TLS 1.2 and be secure (as of the time of publication). > > TLS-LTS sends a whole different message of course. > > And then the working group keeps nibbling at TLS 1.2 with documents like > draft-ietf-tls-deprecate-obsolete-kex and the earlier “deprecating” > documents. The KEX document does mention RFC 9325 at one point but > does not say explicitly which of its requirements are new, making it hard > for implementers to navigate our recommendations. If the consensus view of the working group is that the existing communications have resulted in mixed messages and some confusion, the adoption of TLS LTS could provide a useful vehicle to address that whilst also dealing with the various technical points that Peter has already identified in his draft. By expanding the introduction plus sections 3.7 and 4 (or by adding a new section), it should be possible to communicate clearly to implementers and others the relative positions of TLS 1.2, TLS-LTS and TLS 1.3 with reference RFC 9325 and any other relevant documents etc. Andrew
- [TLS] Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Long-t… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Christopher Wood
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Richard Barnes
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Nick Harper
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… David A. Cooper
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Andrew Campling
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Yaron Sheffer
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Yaron Sheffer
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Andrew Campling
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Andrew Campling
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Pascal Urien
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Yaron Sheffer
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… David A. Cooper
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… David A. Cooper
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Adoption call for TLS 1.2 Update for Lo… Rob Sayre