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Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 12 July 2017 15:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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On 12/07/17 16:27, Kyle Rose wrote:
> The telco in the POTS case isn't either endpoint. The third-party
> surveillance is unknown to those endpoints. Therefore: wiretapping.

Same in the wordpress.com or smtp/tls cases already
described on list. Therefore: wiretapping.

My point was that "collaborating" does not mean not
wiretapping. Saying otherwise is what'd be silly.

S.

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> Kyle
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