[TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 19 November 2024 02:28 UTC
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Subject: [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS
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Hiya, I totally understand the commercial imperatives that cause people to want to adhere to what governments would like to see the IETF standardising, but... On 19/11/2024 01:43, someone wrote: > NSA is confident The above, and similar arguments that NIST or BSI or whomever would like X, does not mean there's a good technical argument for X. However, if we ignore the technical arguments for and against X (as we seem to be doing) we will not be serving the best interests of the Internet, nor of the people who use it. So, I'd encourage us all to please try prioritise the technical arguments for and against each thing, and to not forget that national signals intelligence agencies have a demonstrated history of trying to use their influence to game this system, as is inherent in their various charters. Cheers, S.
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
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- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Santosh Chokhani
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein