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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000035ec0f061fa54ea2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, there are backwards-incompatible changes including domain-separating key material by parameter set. On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 10:07=E2=80=AFAM Salz, Rich wrote: > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > I think it would make sense to get new code points for hybrids based on > the final ML-KEM spec, so that implementers don=E2=80=99t need to use pre= -standard > Kyber. > > > > Has anyone read closely to see if the kybrid/kyber draft would need to > change, other than the name? If not, then we can just change the name in > the registry by posting an updated draft. If there are changes, then we > need a new codepoint, also just by posting an updated draft. > > > --00000000000035ec0f061fa54ea2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, there are backwards-incompatible changes including doma= in-separating key material by parameter set.


On Wed= , Aug 14, 2024, 10:07=E2=80=AFAM Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:

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I think it would make sense to get new code points for hybrids base= d on the final ML-KEM spec, so that implementers don=E2=80=99t need to use = pre-standard Kyber.

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Has anyone read closely to see if the kybrid/kyber = draft would need to change, other than the name?=C2=A0 If not, then we can = just change the name in the registry by posting an updated draft. If there are changes, then we need a new codepoint, also ju= st by posting an updated draft.

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