Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 08 July 2017 14:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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On 08/07/17 15:27, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Like you, I am very unhappy with this draft, and would not support its
> adoption as a WG draft. However I think that open discussion is in
> general good, and that the best venue for discussion of this draft is
> this mailing list. Even if some of this discussion devolves into generic
> "are we pro or against wiretapping" questions.

FWIW I believe that we have had that discussion about breaking
tls over and over on this and other lists. I see no value in
doing it yet again, even if the proximate cause is a new variation
of the "here's a way to break tls" class of drafts. (Someday we
should find someone who'd document all the broken break-tls ideas
that have been rightly rejected over the years.)

> 
> I don't think this is a significant distraction that could derail
> (D)TLS, moreover, you will recall that in Chicago several new drafts
> were adopted to the working group. So the WG does feel that TLS is in
> good enough shape that we can spend some bandwidth on other things.

Maybe I'm more easily distracted, at least by this topic;-)

Anyway, I'm fine that it's for the chairs to figure that out.

S.


> Thanks,
> 
>     Yaron
> 
> 
> On 08/07/17 12:17, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>> Sean/Joe,
>>
>> This is a request that you, as chairs, shut down the distracting
>> wiretapping discussion, at least until DTLS1.3 is done.
>>
>> I have planned to spend time reading draft 21 and DTLS, but that
>> won't happen if we keep having to fight off the latest attempts
>> to break TLS. I'd not be surprised if I weren't the only one
>> finding that distraction an irritating waste of time. Finishing
>> TLS1.3 and getting DTLS1.3 on the way surely needs to not be
>> constantly de-railed by these attempts to break TLS.
>>
>> Therefore I'd ask that you declare this discussion closed for at
>> least that long (i.e until DTLS1.3 is done).
>>
>> I'd also ask that you not allocate agenda time for wiretapping
>> in Prague.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> S.
>>
>>
>>
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