Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft

Martin Thomson <> Wed, 23 June 2021 23:37 UTC

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:37:31 +1000
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Editorial: chronological order in ECH draft
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Whatever you can do to improve the readability of this document would be greatly appreciated.  It's a complicated design and I always spend far too much time trying to find answers to my questions.  A better structure would be appreciated.

I do find that questions aren't always about behaviour.  They are also about protocol elements, and those a scattered piecemeal throughout.  So I would be disappointed if any restructuring were limited to just getting the time sequence straightened out.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, at 09:04, Carrick Bartle wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm bringing to 
> the list since it looks like we're (hopefully) getting close to the end 
> game with ECH.
> The ECH draft is currently organized such that it describes all client 
> behavior and then all server behavior. Personally, I find this very 
> confusing to follow, and I'm constantly having to flip back and forth 
> between sections (which themselves constantly refer to each other). 
> Does anyone object to my rearranging the content to be in more of the 
> order in which things occur rather than being divided into client and 
> server sections? Of course, depending on how I do it, it could end up 
> being *more* confusing, but I just wanted to see if people were opposed 
> to it in principle.
> Carrick
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