[TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem and P-384

Alicja Kario <hkario@redhat.com> Tue, 10 September 2024 16:24 UTC

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From: Alicja Kario <hkario@redhat.com>
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Subject: [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem and P-384
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On Tuesday, 10 September 2024 16:05:51 CEST, Salz, Rich wrote:
>   *   I assume draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design will remove all 
> mentioning of Kyber and only refer to the final standardized 
> ML-KEM. I don't think TLS WG should publish anything with Kyber.
>
> In fact, the current unified draft has IANA instructions to 
> mark the KyberDraft0 assignments as obsolete.
>
>
>   *   I think hybrids with ML-KEM should be standard track and 
> Recommended = Y. I think all hybrids of ML-KEM with curves that 
> are  Recommended = Y should be Recommended = Y.
>
> I agree. Can we come to consensus on the mailing list before 
> Dublin, or do we need time on the agenda there?

I agree too to mark them as recommended.

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