Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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pedantically, because I think that there is much confusion here. Let me go back to the whole sentence: Alan> Therefore, we need an explicit signal to the EAP-TLS layer that the Alan> EAP-TLS method has finished. Discussion on the list went back and Alan> forth between CloseNotify and sending one octet of application data. Alan> Implementations have done both. The conclusion was that the one octet Alan> of application data was slightly easier to implement. Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> wrote: >> Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> wrote: >>> Therefore, we need an explicit signal to the EAP-TLS layer that the >> >> Do you mean, "to the EAP layer"? >> s/EAP-TLS layer/EAP/ ?? > If the EAP-TLS layer allows TLS negotiation OR EAP-Success, then it's > possible to bypass TLS by spoofing an EAP-Success. So the EAP-TLS > layer needs to have a way to say "we're done, EAP-Success is now OK". > It's really nested: EAP ( EAP-TLS ( TLS ) ) Okay, so I think that we need: 1) signal from the TLS layer to EAP-TLS layer 2) signal from the EAP-TLS layer to the EAP layer But, you said, above: "to the EAP-TLS layer that the EAP-TLS method has finished" so I still think that there might be a typo :-) -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
- [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-… Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Michael Richardson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Michael Richardson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Jorge Vergara
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Jorge Vergara
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Mohit Sethi M
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Jorge Vergara
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Jorge Vergara
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Alan DeKok
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on … John Mattsson