Re: [TLS] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5288 (4694)

Rick van Rein <rick@openfortress.nl> Sun, 15 May 2016 18:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5288 (4694)
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Hi,

> I think the erratum needs an erratum.  Firstly, "nonce" doesn't mean "number
> used once", and secondly nonce re-use in AES-GCM doesn't just result in
> "catastrophic failure of it's authenticity", it results in catastrophic
> failure of the entire mode, both confidentiality and integrity/authenticity.

I'd like to add that I don't see a difference between a "failure" and a
"catastrophic failure".  It's probably better to stay away from subjective
words like that.

-Rick