Re: [TLS] Comments on draft-wood-tls-external-psk-importer-01

Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Mon, 01 April 2019 22:04 UTC

Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7C2120047 for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3dqgFpsImqt0 for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F9F0120021 for <TLS@ietf.org>; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B87300ADB for <TLS@ietf.org>; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:45:48 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id NY5LQ8WREzL5 for <TLS@ietf.org>; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D498A3005AB; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Message-Id: <B9C77A05-0A18-4FCC-84F6-112708D00F3C@vigilsec.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_69691301-F3A0-4B0E-81A3-5C79CC956B73"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\))
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 18:03:59 -0400
In-Reply-To: <3F4ABC0C-9510-4A38-B917-04A481CC58D4@ericsson.com>
Cc: IETF TLS <TLS@ietf.org>
To: John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>
References: <89127FF7-CE3F-4DF1-98A5-B1006C5FF56B@ericsson.com> <F6ED76B5-17C1-4FBE-B6E4-B292DEA05436@vigilsec.com> <3F4ABC0C-9510-4A38-B917-04A481CC58D4@ericsson.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/pU-4BZCEWsSNMkqDS3cdC7zatHM>
Subject: Re: [TLS] Comments on draft-wood-tls-external-psk-importer-01
X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls/>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 22:04:09 -0000

John:

Okay, I misread the first note.  Sorry for the noise.

Russ


> On Apr 1, 2019, at 5:29 PM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Russ,
>  
> I was not talking about certificates at all. My comment was about using both external_identity and one of its derived ImportedIdentity in OfferedPsks
>  
> draft-wood-tls-external-psk-importer-01:
>  
>      struct {
>           opaque external_identity<1...2^16-1>;
>           opaque label<0..2^8-1>;
>           HashAlgorithm hash;
>       } ImportedIdentity;
>  
>  
> RFC 8446:
>  
>       struct {
>           PskIdentity identities<7..2^16-1>;
>           PskBinderEntry binders<33..2^16-1>;
>       } OfferedPsks;
>  
>       struct {
>           opaque identity<1..2^16-1>;
>           uint32 obfuscated_ticket_age;
>       } PskIdentity;
>  
> John
>  
> From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>>
> Date: Monday, 1 April 2019 at 22:47
> To: John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com <mailto:john.mattsson@ericsson.com>>
> Cc: "TLS@ietf.org <mailto:TLS@ietf.org>" <TLS@ietf.org <mailto:TLS@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [TLS] Comments on draft-wood-tls-external-psk-importer-01
>  
> John:
>>  
>> The draft should make clear if the External PSK and external identity can be used together with the imported identities.
>  
> I think that draft-ietf-tls-tls13-cert-with-extern-psk would be needed with TLS 1,3 for the certificate-based authentication to be used with an external PSK.
>  
> Russ