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    <p>Dear Deirdre, Joe, and Sean,<br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10.04.26 16:00, Sean Turner wrote:<=
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</span></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:143FA1BF-280A-4469-ADE0-7CAE3867DB88@sn3rd.com">
      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">1. Building on Usama's PR - =
clarify what happened to each I-D; see PR #16 [1].</pre>
    </blockquote>
    I would like to thank you once again for all the effort on this. Now
    that this PR has just been merged, I've published an update
    draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-05 removing all of the
    process-related stuff.<span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:143FA1BF-280A-4469-ADE0-7CAE3867DB88@sn3rd.com">
      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">As far as why the recent cro=
p - and I use the word "recent" liberally - of algorithm I-Ds that did no=
t go through the FATT, they did not go through the FATT because we had so=
me sense that that was not the FATT's job though we never really articula=
ted that well. We would like to note that none of these recent algorithms=
 I-D went through the FATT starting with draft-ietf-tls-deprecate-obsolet=
e-kex, and then draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design, draft-ietf-tls-tls13-pkcs1,=
 draft-ietf-ecdhe-mlkem, draft-ietf-tls-mlkem, and draft-ietf-tls-mldsa. =
Maybe a good call on chairs' part maybe not, but that's what happened.</p=
re>
    </blockquote>
    I believe except for one draft (see below), that was actually a very
    good call.<span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:143FA1BF-280A-4469-ADE0-7CAE3867DB88@sn3rd.com">
      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">There were other suggestions=
 at IETF 125, but I do not remember much support for them.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>I don't recall anyone other than Ekr showing concerns either, and
      I believe I addressed his concerns. But I'll come back to this in
      the future.<br>
    </p>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">=3D=3D=3D</span></p>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">Dear Joe and Sean,</span></p=
>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">As someone who has been doin=
g the formal analysis of the following drafts for the WG:</span></p>
    <ol>
      <li>draft-fossati-tls-attestation</li>
      <li>draft-ietf-tls-extended-key-update</li>
      <li>draft-ietf-tls-pake</li>
    </ol>
    <p>and doing some preliminary working for some other drafts, I would
      like to formally request initiation of the FATT process for
      draft-ietf-tls-mlkem. The rationale is that I believe formal
      methods can provide additional value for security considerations
      of this draft. As an example, it can help justify design choices,
      such as the preference for hybrids.<br>
    </p>
    <p>I have shared further rationale and a summary of my
      work-in-progress in [5]. Notably:<br>
    </p>
    <blockquote>
      <p>Approach: <i>symbolic</i> security analysis so far (and
        planned <i>computational</i> security analysis)<br>
      </p>
      <p>Tool: <i>ProVerif</i> so far (and planned <i>CryptoVerif</i>)</p=
>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Please do not hesitate to ask if any further details would be
      helpful.<span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span></p>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">Thank you for your kind cons=
ideration!</span></p>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">Best regards,</span></p>
    <p><span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">-Usama
</span></p>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:143FA1BF-280A-4469-ADE0-7CAE3867DB88@sn3rd.com">
      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">[1] <a class=3D"moz-txt-link=
-freetext" href=3D"https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/pull/16/">https://gi=
thub.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/pull/16/</a> &lt;-ready to merge
[2] <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://github.com/tlswg/t=
ls-fatt/issues/19">https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/issues/19</a>
[3] <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.o=
rg/arch/msg/tls/RupKEHeJdAzxpNEZnRgerk4en1c/">https://mailarchive.ietf.or=
g/arch/msg/tls/RupKEHeJdAzxpNEZnRgerk4en1c/</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>[4]
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-05.html#section-3.2">https://www.ietf.or=
g/archive/id/draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-05.html#section-3.2</a></p>
    <p>[5]
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-05.html#section-3.3">https://www.ietf.or=
g/archive/id/draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-05.html#section-3.3</a><br>
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