Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment request for draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-psk-aead
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Sun, 09 October 2016 23:11 UTC
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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:11:34 +1100
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Subject: Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment request for draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-psk-aead
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I'm mainly just looking to economize on different configurations. On 9 October 2016 at 16:32, John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > AES_256_CCM_8 was not in the first versions of the draft but added later > after request from IoT people (probably afraid of quantum computers). > > > While I think it makes very much sense to have short tags in wireless > radio, I do not know how large need there is for AES-256 in IoT for > constrained devices, or how large the need would be to truncate the tag in > these cases. > > > My current understanding is that Grover’s algorithm may never be more > cost-effective than a cluster of classical computers, and that quantum > computers therefore likely do not affect the lifetime of AES-128. > > > I do not have any strong opinions regarding keeping AES_256_CCM_8 or not. > We should not give the impression that AES-256 is needed for practical > resistance to quantum computers anytime soon, it is however a requirement > for use by US government. Agree that AES_128_CCM_8 and AES_256_CCM seems > like the best choices in most cases. > > > Cheers, > John > > > > On 12/08/16 08:29, "TLS on behalf of Martin Thomson" <tls-bounces@ietf.org > on behalf of martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Looking at those emails, I am prompted to wonder if anyone can justify >>the existence of a ciphersuite with a double-sized key and half-sized >>authentication tag. RFC 6655 doesn't really explain how that is a >>useful thing. >> >>On 10 August 2016 at 19:33, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com> >>wrote: >>> On Tue, 2016-08-09 at 14:45 -0400, Sean Turner wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> We've received a request for early IANA assignments for the 6 cipher >>>> suites listed in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-ecdh >>>> e-psk-aead/. Please respond before August 23rd if you have concerns >>>> about early code point assignment for these cipher suites. >>> >>> I have previously raised an issue [0] on these ciphersuites. The same >>> requirement was noted also by Peter Dettman as something special in >>> [1]. However, there has been no reaction from the authors (now in CC). >>> >>> regards, >>> Nikos >>> >>> [0]. >>>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/4PZsc_Dy-aT299BYrlBKvZs0BOQ >>> [1]. >>>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/onEkdgH30eZgWs8v5Rp-CUqCHds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TLS mailing list >>> TLS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TLS mailing list >>TLS@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] early IANA code point assignment request fo… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Daniel Migault
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Daniel Migault
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Xiaoyin Liu
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Daniel Migault
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] early IANA code point assignment reques… Daniel Migault