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[TLS] Re: ML-KEM IANA and draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement codepoint and inconsistencies

Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com> Fri, 07 March 2025 09:00 UTC

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Subject: [TLS] Re: ML-KEM IANA and draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement codepoint and inconsistencies
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Indeed, that's very nice. I'm actually running OpenSSL built from a branch 
vduc/hybrids on my server
and X25519MLKEM768 seems to work alright.

May I know if you have a plan for FIPS certificaton for PQC after release?

Cheers,
Kris

On 07/03/2025 04:02, Viktor Dukhovni wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 09:01:13PM +0100, Bas Westerbaan wrote:
>
>> This is indeed fantastic—congratulations!
>>
>> Will X25519MLKEM768 be enabled by default?
> Yes, not only enabled, but preferred, with servers sending an HRR when a
> client reports support for X25519MLKEM768, but does not send a
> corresponding keyshare.
>
> Similarly, the most preferred sigalgs are ML-DSA-65, ML-DSA-87, and
> ML-DSA-44.  Of course these don't take effect unless the server is
> actually configured with a key+cert of that type.
>
>      $ posttls-finger -Lsummary -c dukhovni.org
>      posttls-finger: Verified TLS connection established
>          to mx1.imrryr.org[144.6.86.210]:25:
>          TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
>          key-exchange X25519MLKEM768
>          server-signature ML-DSA-65 (raw public key)
>

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