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Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Wed, 12 July 2017 15:54 UTC

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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:54:30 -0400
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To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie
> wrote:

>
>
> On 12/07/17 16:27, Kyle Rose wrote:
> > The telco in the POTS case isn't either endpoint. The third-party
> > surveillance is unknown to those endpoints. Therefore: wiretapping.
>
> Same in the wordpress.com or smtp/tls cases already
> described on list. Therefore: wiretapping.
>
> My point was that "collaborating" does not mean not
> wiretapping. Saying otherwise is what'd be silly.
>

And yet that's what 2804, what you have repeatedly cited, explicitly
states. I'm going to go with the definition given there, "silly" or not.
This isn't wiretapping: it's *something else* potentially bad, but not all
surveillance is wiretapping.

Kyle

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