Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track

Sean Turner <> Sat, 27 June 2020 00:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track
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We are going to close these out and request that the authors change the track on these drafts to standards track. There are multiple participants who expressed a willingness to implement.

I will note that Rich is a bit skeptical, and I can add that to the Shepherd write-up.


> On May 21, 2020, at 22:10, Sean Turner <> wrote:
> It looks like the intended status for both draft-ietf-tls-ctls (aka cTLS) and draft-ietf-tls-esni (aka ECH) should be changed. It appears that both should be set to standards track; cTLS is now Informational and ECH is Experimental. If you object to changing the track for either of these drafts please send an email to the list stating why by 2359 UTC on 5 June 2020.
> Cheers,
> spt (for the Chairs)