Return-Path: X-Original-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335E53A08F3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cLIUemtA_m47 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9E813A08ED for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id z63so10454876qkb.8 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=KeV3fohDubHey7KL5pV7n6jrA5rBQvJmkh/E26xckrA=; b=UqhpKwFrju/Wc70FIT6dPfv9erxNFN9I9nyQ8zoJU+PmQMUtOe1K9V2zBwKFr1pnv0 khFZMT2z53f+US7UIiYzSQIcqqFeV8NeHgRuVlsZNL1D6IYwssLJzQMP21NfOVFoQ01C m2j0Yjcp24aEalkbGqTxYc6JI8yGVF4I1yOA8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=KeV3fohDubHey7KL5pV7n6jrA5rBQvJmkh/E26xckrA=; b=Z+fKOpWxssQOtDt1SgH6CXeSjAsEFVIlkd8iG687gALrD1znM/QKglegX+Tf+gnleX RGyLFoGfXqVU3wW8nXeD0V4CgB0bNfKghI0D50ZHq4PeZG6prUUlDrEa4lVEbs8+gwc7 5SzoaGSRFZ0kuBBQ4O7nkPyA+gLVXPvFORRCxei9KzRZ19+Zx9U+pFnXx6bU2N27c0hL aUz9avwPV69jWzW9SbQ1ppRga8PuUJKLp7R1MHxkYb9gQT3F+XZx7ISgj4S6fz4x6vwR 3udx/FlmcOlQXMBtqll/piUokUfEbfsUNoYe/vHMWIqI5PMb/ViM6Zznfk7Qb04gDVMB Kqtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530u5VfXw8cPhDPg+tdtUQmSr6y2YrTUthyCcUTkhmeG6qxqjBv3 7tX+rfwnkqn/Ygzr8YJZFWRDePI68jE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy7D5JVlLWmfDN2RHI+iKvS8z0z2gCo4zK446uWn8iXztV63RnpGBbpmdIeaRbke2fWBSrt2A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:9dd:: with SMTP id y29mr5146562qky.220.1593217701679; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sn3rd.lan ([75.102.131.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i21sm10553473qke.9.2020.06.26.17.28.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 20:28:20 -0400 References: To: TLS List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7AC6C26C-3946-4039-89D9-F6742D93C122@sn3rd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:28:24 -0000 We are going to close these out and request that the authors change the = track on these drafts to standards track. There are multiple = participants who expressed a willingness to implement. I will note that Rich is a bit skeptical, and I can add that to the = Shepherd write-up. spt > On May 21, 2020, at 22:10, Sean Turner wrote: >=20 > It looks like the intended status for both draft-ietf-tls-ctls (aka = cTLS) and draft-ietf-tls-esni (aka ECH) should be changed. It appears = that both should be set to standards track; cTLS is now Informational = and ECH is Experimental. If you object to changing the track for either = of these drafts please send an email to the list stating why by 2359 UTC = on 5 June 2020. >=20 > Cheers, > spt (for the Chairs)