Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3
Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Wed, 30 September 2020 00:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:49 PM Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <uri@ll.mit.edu> wrote: > > I share Achim's concerns. > > But I believe the explanations will turn out mostly useless in the real world, as the "lawyers" of the industry are guaranteed to steer away from something "not recommended". > > In one word: bad. Why is PSK so necessary? There are very few devices that can't handle the occasional ECC operation. The key management and forward secrecy issues with TLS-PSK are real. Steering applications that can afford the CPU away from PSK and toward hybrid modes is a good thing and why this registry exists imho. -- Astra mortemque praestare gradatim
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 David Woodhouse
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Lanlan Pan
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Pascal Urien
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] The future of external PSK in TLS 1.3 Rob Sayre