[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 15 April 2025 02:29 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 19:29:29 -0700
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
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I oppose adoption.

thanks,
Rob

On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 7:21 PM Flo D <Flo.D=40ncsc.gov.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I support adoption of this draft and am happy to review.
>
> Flo
>
> flo.d@ncsc.gov.uk
> UK National Cyber Security Centre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
> Sent: 01 April 2025 13:58
> To: TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
> Subject: [TLS] WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for
> TLS 1.3
>
> We are continuing with our pre-announced tranche of WG adoption calls; see
> [0] for more information. This time we are issuing a WG adoption call for
> the ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3 I-D [1]. If you support
> adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, please send a
> message to the list. If you do not support adoption of this draft, please
> send a message to the list and indicate why. This call will close at 2359
> UTC on 15 April 2025.
>
> In response to other WG adoption calls, Dan Bernstein pointed out some
> potential IPR (see [2]), but no IPR disclosure has been made in accordance
> with BCP 79.  Additional information is provided here; see [3].
>
> BCP 79 makes this important point:
>
>   (b) The IETF, following normal processes, can decide to use
>     technology for which IPR disclosures have been made if it decides
>     that such a use is warranted.
>
> WG members can take this information into account during this adoption
> call to determine if we should adopt these drafts.
>
> Reminder:  This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the
> mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe and Sean
>
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