Re: [TLS] Potential New Handshake Flows for TLS 1.3

Michael D'Errico <> Tue, 05 November 2013 23:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Potential New Handshake Flows for TLS 1.3
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Eric Rescorla wrote:
> I've just submitted a document on potentially new reduced RT/more
> private protocol flows for TLS 1.3. It's fairly handwavy ATM but I wanted
> to err on the side of getting some of the ideas out for discussion
> so we could figure out which avenues we want to pursue. This draft
> borrows (steals) liberally from a bunch of prior work too numerous
> to name here.

In the handshake of Figure 7, an active attacker can obtain the 3rd
ClientHello since the ServerKeyExchange is not signed.

I would like to see some DH parameters standardized to simplify
things (no need for the client to validate) and to remove the need
to transmit them.

Since the idea of server state is being thrown around, perhaps the
server can simply send a key to the client (after Finished) to be
used to make the next handshake private.  New PreSharedKeyRequest
and response messages (not necessarily Handshake messages) could be
defined for this if necessary.