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Re: [TLS] Proposed text for removing renegotiation

Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com> Thu, 29 May 2014 17:00 UTC

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Cc: Geoffrey Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org>, tls@ietf.org
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Thomson" <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
> To: "Hubert Kario" <hkario@redhat.com>
> Cc: "Geoffrey Keating" <geoffk@geoffk.org>, tls@ietf.org
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:27:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [TLS] Proposed text for removing renegotiation
> 
> On 29 May 2014 05:25, Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Transferring 64GB of data with TLS over loopback on a relatively modern
> > machine (even without AES-NI) takes less than an hour. I wouldn't
> > call it going to great lengths to test.
> 
> Seriously?  You think that's an acceptable time to wait for a single
> test case to run?  With a message, the test will take milliseconds (as
> all tests should).

There are test cases and there are test cases.

For a unit test, an hour is definitely far too long, and as you rightfully
point out, a typical unit test should take just few milliseconds.

For an integration test case, an hour is long, but not prohibitive.

For a system test, an hour is basically expected.

-- 
Regards,
Hubert Kario

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