[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3
Bas Westerbaan <bas@cloudflare.com> Wed, 16 April 2025 06:57 UTC
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:56:51 +0200
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 9:06 PM Bas Westerbaan <bas@cloudflare.com> wrote: > This working group has wisely focussed its efforts on post-quantum key > agreements for the last five years. It's basically done. I have no doubt > that if any unforeseen issues might arise in the final stretch, we'll rise > to the occasion. > > I suppose adoption of the draft. > * support. > > Best, > > Bas > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 7:41 PM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > >> I do not think we should adopt this draft at this time. I would prefer >> the WG focus its effort on key establishment. >> Once those documents are complete, we can reconsider signature. >> >> -Ekr >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:34 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: >> >>> We are continuing with our WG adoption calls for the following I-D: >>> Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3 [1]; see [2] for more information about this >>> tranche of adoption calls. If you support adoption and are willing to >>> review and contribute text, please send a message to the list. If you do >>> not support adoption of this draft, please send a message to the list and >>> indicate why. This call will close at 2359 UTC on 29 April 2025. >>> >>> Reminder: This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the >>> mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Joe and Sean >>> >>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-westerbaan-mldsa/ >>> [2] >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org >> >
- [TLS] WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Santosh Chokhani
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Kampanakis, Panos
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of M… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in T… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use… Mike Ounsworth