Re: [TLS] Call for acceptance of draft-moeller-tls-downgrade-scsv

Ben Laurie <benl@google.com> Fri, 24 January 2014 18:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Call for acceptance of draft-moeller-tls-downgrade-scsv
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On 24 January 2014 18:52, Martin Rex <mrex@sap.com> wrote:
> Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> WG Members,
>>
>> This message is a call for acceptance of
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bmoeller-tls-downgrade-scsv-01
>>
>> As a TLS WG item.
>>
>> Please provide any comments on this action by Feb 7.
>
> -1
>
> I'm strongly opposed to a scheme whose only purpose in life is
> to make TLS handshakes _fail_ based on bogus heuristics by the
> wrong communication peer.

Which one is the wrong one?