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[TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3

"Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu> Tue, 15 April 2025 20:57 UTC

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From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu>
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Thread-Topic: [EXT] [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
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Sean Turner writes:
> Hi! It looks like we have consensus to adopt this draft as a working
> group item.

Um, what? There were several people (including me) raising objections on
list to basic flaws in this draft 

“Consensus” is not about reaching no dissenters. It’s about the “prevailing” opinion of majority, which in this case appears to be for adoption of this draft. Despite objections risen by several people.

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