Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-pwd

Bodo Moeller <bmoeller@acm.org> Thu, 05 December 2013 20:56 UTC

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From: Bodo Moeller <bmoeller@acm.org>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-pwd
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>
> > While it is true that Joe noted that, I think the point of the present
> > discussion is that the protocol wasn't actually reviewed by the CFRG with
> > satisfactory results.
>


>   No, that's not really true.  There is a difference between "your
> protocol has
> not been proven secure" and "your protocol has a security flaw". And while
> the former has been pointed out on this list and the CFRG list, the later
> has not.
>

Right, there's a difference between that (and good reasons to prefer
protocols that *have* been proven secure where those exist), but my main
point here was that there hasn't actually been a thorough protocol review
by the CFRG.

Bodo