Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths
"Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu> Wed, 22 April 2009 14:00 UTC
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From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:46:27 -0700 Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com> wrote: > The amount of computational power required to break a 128-bit AES > key with current is so outlandishly large that there is plausible > scenario that such a key will be broken by brute force. The > only plausible situations in which 128-bit AES keys are breakable, > then, are non-brute-force attacks such as attacks on the > implementation or an analytic attack. In neither case does 2^{128} > represent an accurate estimate of the security of the algorithm, nor > is there any reason to believe that AES-256 is 2^{128} times more > secure under such attacks. Thus, the inference that one ought to > use an RSA key that is 2^{128} times stronger with AES-256 than > AES-128 also does not follow. > Two points... First, it may be a question of future-proofing: will someone find a new cryptanalytic attack on AES-128 in the next, say, 20 years? (You have, I assume, arranged for remote deletion of all of the surreptitious copies of your DES-protected conversations from 20 years ago, right?) Second, 1024-bit RSA is a much weaker link than 128-bit AES *today* -- they should switch to 2048- or 3072-bit RSA even if they stick with 128-bit AES. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Blumenthal, Uri
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths carlyoung
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Blumenthal, Uri
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Blumenthal, Uri
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Michael.G.Williams
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Daniel Brown
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Peter Gutmann
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Daniel Brown
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Daniel Brown
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Dean Anderson
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Michael D'Errico
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Florian Weimer
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- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Vipul Gupta
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Robert Relyea
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Blumenthal, Uri
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Jeffrey A. Williams
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Comparative cipher suite strengths Steven M. Bellovin