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Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS*

Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com> Fri, 02 December 2016 14:51 UTC

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From: Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS*
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On Friday, 2 December 2016 14:12:38 CET Salz, Rich wrote:
> > SSL 2 < SSL 3 < "SSL" 1.0 < "SSL" 1.1 < "SSL" 1.2 < "SSL" 4 is not logical
> > ordering
> 
> So?  Who cares?  A couple-hundred people in the IETF.  And the issue is that
> SSL 3 < "SSL" 1.0 which is the issue no matter what we call what we're
> doing here.  And the quotes around the last SSL do not belong there.

> You can say that calling it "TLS 1.3" promulgates the illogical ordering, or
> you could say it continues a renumbering.  A renumbering that the world has
> never recognized or understood.  You can say that "SSL 4" confuses people
> twice, or you can say that it restores sanity to a 20-year glitch and
> starts us using the same name that the rest of the world, *and our
> industry,* uses.

what it does is it introduces a second glitch

speaking of confusion, do you know that e-mail clients by "SSL" mean "SSL/TLS" 
and by "TLS" mean "STARTTLS"?
(note the port numbers)
https://sils.unc.edu/it-services/email-faq/outlook
https://mail.aegee.org/smtp/kmail.html
https://sils.unc.edu/it-services/my-computer/email-faq/thunderbird

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Regards,
Hubert Kario
Senior Quality Engineer, QE BaseOS Security team
Web: www.cz.redhat.com
Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkyňova 99/71, 612 45, Brno, Czech Republic

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