Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemented?
mrex@sap.com (Martin Rex) Thu, 30 October 2014 00:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemented?
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Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 15:30 +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote: >> Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard <mpg@polarssl.org> writes: >> >>>The *only* difference is (something that doesn't involve the definition of >>>length), so the definition of the length is unchanged, therefore it's the one >>>from RFC 5246. >> >> No it isn't. RFC 7366 moves the MAC outside the GenericXXXCipher fragment, >> so it's no longer included. > > I don't think it matter that the MAC is outside the GenericXXXCipher > fragment. On the contrary, this matters a whole lot. > TLSCiphertext is defined in RFC7366 as follows: > > struct { > ContentType type; > ProtocolVersion version; > uint16 length; > GenericBlockCipher fragment; > opaque MAC; > } TLSCiphertext; > > (for block ciphers at least). That TLSCiphertext.length send on the wire > contains both fragment and MAC length, doesn't it? This is the rfc5246 definition of TLSCiphertext and the explanation of the "length" element within that structure: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246#section-6.2.3 struct { ContentType type; ProtocolVersion version; uint16 length; select (SecurityParameters.cipher_type) { case stream: GenericStreamCipher; case block: GenericBlockCipher; case aead: GenericAEADCipher; } fragment; } TLSCiphertext; type The type field is identical to TLSCompressed.type. version The version field is identical to TLSCompressed.version. length The length (in bytes) of the following TLSCiphertext.fragment. The length MUST NOT exceed 2^14 + 2048. fragment The encrypted form of TLSCompressed.fragment, with the MAC. In rfc5246, the "length" element of the TLSCiphertext structure contains the length of the "fragment" element directly following it, and rfc7366. But rfc7366 moves the MAC outside of the fragment, so its length will no longer be included in the TLSCiphertext.length count. Curiously, rfc7366 doesn't indicate the real length of the MAC element in the same fashion that rfc5246 does: rfc5246: opaque MAC[SecurityParameters.mac_length]; rfc7366: opaque MAC; ...but then, rfc2246 and rfc4346 used slightly different names/terminology for the SecurityParameters, and would use: opaque MAC[SecurityParameters.hash_size]; -Martin
- [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemented? Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Henrick Hellström
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Yngve N. Pettersen
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- [TLS] record-level version number in ClientHello Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Yngve N. Pettersen
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Yngve N. Pettersen
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] record-level version number in ClientHe… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: is encrypt-then-mac implemente… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- [TLS] rfc7366: status Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] rfc7366: status Martin Rex