[TLS] Re: Ketan Talaulikar's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-tls12-frozen-07: (with COMMENT)

[Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>]

Once again, I see you've decided to engage in a bit of selective
quoting and misstating what I said in order to feed your particular
hobby horse. My position simply isn't that the Web is the only use
of TLS, but I doubt anything I say will disabuse you of your misimpression.

-Ekr



On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 6:29 AM Peter Gutmann <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >This is a somewhat clearly unspecified set, and in the first sentence
> (which
> >you trimmed for some reason), I explicitly express some concern about this
> >ambiguity.
>
> That's not really helping your case.  The bit I cut (the OP's text and the
> start of yours) to avoid quoting a huge block of text never mentioned the
> web,
> or anything else specific, but adding that to the quoted text would
> emphasise
> even more that you responded to a nonspecific comment with a reply that
> assumed that nothing apart from the web exists.  Your "explicitly expressed
> concern" just says "I assume everyone's using a web browser" ("Under the
> assumption you mean "our customers", then those people are probably coming
> in
> via a Web browser") which is exactly the point I was making: The
> assumption is
> that if someone is using TLS then it must be web use.  Nothing else gets
> any
> consideration, and the WG has been like that for years (with a token
> acknowledgement of use by telcos because they're big enough that you can't
> really ignore them).
>
> Peter.
>