Re: [TLS] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-tls-tls13-26: (with COMMENT)

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Wed, 07 March 2018 19:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-tls-tls13-26: (with COMMENT)
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On 3/7/18 12:58 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > As a rule of thumb, "that" is used to start restrictive clauses 
> ("Two doors
> > are in front of you. The door that is on the right leads outside"), 
> while
> > "which" is used to start non-restrictive clauses ("The only door in 
> the room,
> > which is made of wood, leads outside.") This document uses "which" 
> where "that"
> > is called for in numerous locations. Although there are several more 
> than listed
> > below, I'm highlighting the locations where a literal reading of "which"
> > technically leads to ambiguity. Each instance has a leading line for 
> context
> > (except those that occur at the beginning of a paragraph).
>
> I appreciate that many people hold to this rule of thumb, but it is,
> unfortunately, an invented rule:
>
> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000918.html 
> <http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/000918.html>
> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001461.html 
> <http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/001461.html>
>
>   There is an old myth that which is not used in integrated relative
>   clauses (e.g. something which I hate) and that has to be used instead
>   something that I hate). It is completely untrue. The choice between
>   the two is free and open.


We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point. It's your 
document and this is merely editorial, so your preference stands here.

/a