Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Thu, 21 November 2019 07:32 UTC

Return-Path: <sayrer@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AD2120977 for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.997
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aw9ViamVErkq for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:41 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485BA120048 for <tls@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:41 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id j13so2320614ioe.0 for <tls@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:41 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vQsibQ+mD/pM8jo1QBHQ4k9XSsPhvaLV3uqjszZNuVU=; b=FVNEvMqAXEw3q9jnnvXtYZo/A72JBvMcLpHlXjNVADwMtCdtKArSAamlqYcz5qjZXz LokSAMbIKJ6MSmkcAKkwlbiHD4wqcRuEtBrbQMLc7O2W2dsWythFuibt1ooEi2hA0xYo +7w9bTOunNsWz2rYyYDGjgeyTcGUUvXqLIq0ga/UJWW5SyPYxEXDJAhC1oxnd9CBmhDJ oNobM6jX5P9aIkri6KJBnK0AB47Dzrr8CTmmBpL/rmvuDTIJ7tgW8BVa0nYhEm+p3aB7 M0GTI7ikr1sXaWCOqEYDMSALNEd3TE1jKu42aiq2AVGoLfu0zUPG/ZxSMGRiYnGXR2iP PL/A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vQsibQ+mD/pM8jo1QBHQ4k9XSsPhvaLV3uqjszZNuVU=; b=rjOOOD1nBS1L/Fd/COHHT7V5FGYOL7xPavR80dE0dYILqwoICSWAt9AenW6RtIedkZ jH3HhmUZeLgfkJ46ziB+5JTEjwSFnX5uBSEraUJekUKxDUpwiuZ/D8lfaUWLwQm/h7GM vOJZGkCt8kq77ii3UKnlajI5zY2Ps0pqjP7TFT0riPmOCVo7a2rUeltbXzfDs808cMNs 12NMcjwVPakGaxbdKW/gxxIfMt6/MU/SUET8dcBJwv0eavFK2SaGF580POtCjj/xxxIp BeVrwBYehDYpezrjL+KK//Cs/u5JKJmptkiVMfZg2btknNauj8Y6LueaCFz0YavPzsoZ 020A==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWUTpcoEVQ+BFLIr36nzIhC9aTkJFEVc4pB1CxZV7Wm2mlaDPKD +Ce5AFt2btmeLxJ0ue0JykOLfJkjWqOd15EgtHo=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx0kFqYP9p7AuXgwNeYQE+ZoVz2iAqgYgQmFjAaLOY0qCZjbOTmQ2Xq4HrVkgBuCDARuFn8pYtBovyEOjMWesQ=
X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8b83:: with SMTP id p3mr6074122iol.189.1574321560535; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:40 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <5FBFE820-8C53-4B32-9520-343279C1A6CC@apple.com> <20191120064819.GR34850@straasha.imrryr.org> <CAPDSy+6DFJ+OYRtYK6eEiUt1noiik4KxqrGFx0ro_RL2Mft_VA@mail.gmail.com> <67c2ed4f-ce87-4d63-87bf-c38a36c8fb70@www.fastmail.com> <CAPDSy+4NQeVpmawRAOnC=whQ6S25Lc7GZMT2syTStqEt8a7XRQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAChr6SxooRW-8hdp-JtjLVNy1jq3SDK+PK0Y=4qYyVVa_nOOTw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDSy+5Bes=kCi7WjbETJgBVu_TpM0n==9J7TVg0ha_4udhVvw@mail.gmail.com> <CAChr6Sx=y24kBcWCNVhPvhpEbLNtwTL0T4S-cBpY=MGL1SCYfg@mail.gmail.com> <20191121065415.GX20609@akamai.com> <CAChr6SxzHyKtHW+Lcdfd+hcW=dYhi1vB02ffKOVkM6SASMnYLw@mail.gmail.com> <20191121072908.GY20609@akamai.com>
In-Reply-To: <20191121072908.GY20609@akamai.com>
From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:32:28 -0800
Message-ID: <CAChr6SyV_f5aEu6i1L7YpgOR+2stf_G0Cv4XJJ5Uo4RmGkSF3A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com>
Cc: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>, "TLS@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000060c67d0597d64d4c"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/yO2ZBoYZUtG_JvZEObbH3aPndhw>
Subject: Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-ticketrequests
X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls/>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:32:43 -0000

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:29 PM Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com>; wrote:

>
> I disagree with your premise on when BCP 14 keyword usage is appropriate.
> Which is to say, I think the "SHOULD" is fine for operational concerns.


 BCP 14, section 6:

"Imperatives of the type defined in this memo must be used with care and
sparingly.  In particular, they MUST only be used where it is actually
required for interoperation..."

thanks,
Rob