[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3
Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Wed, 26 February 2025 21:58 UTC
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 08:57:59 +1100
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3
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Adopt. The ordering and naming mess probably needs to be sorted out here. I'd ordinarily say that the working group can sort that out, but I'm not 100% confident that this group can. Please show me that I'm wrong. On Thu, Feb 27, 2025, at 05:26, Sean Turner wrote: > At IETF 121, the WG discussed “Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key > Agreement for TLSv1.3”; see [0] and [1]. We also had some discussion in > an information gathering thread; see [2]. We would like to now > determine whether there is support to adopt this I-D. If you support > adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, please send a > message to the list. If you do not support adoption of this I-D, please > send a message to the list and indicate why. This WG adoption call will > close at 2359 UTC on 12 March 2025. > > One special note: this adoption call has nothing to do with picking the > mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS. > > Thanks, > Sean & Joe > > [0] Link to I-D: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem/ > [1] Link to slides: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/slides-121-tls-post-quantum-hybrid-ecdhe-mlkem-key-agreement-for-tlsv13-00 > [2] Link to information gather thread: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/yGZV5dBTcxHJhG-JtfaP6beTd68/ > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org
- [TLS] WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid EC… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Adoption Call for Post-Qu… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Christopher Wood
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Christopher Patton
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Joseph Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for Pos… Mike Ounsworth
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for Pos… Mike Ounsworth
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for Pos… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Christopher Wood
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Mike Shaver
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Andrew Scott
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybri… Kris Kwiatkowski