Re: [TLS] Comments/Questions on draft-gutmann-tls-encrypt-then-mac-00.txt

Michael D'Errico <> Wed, 25 September 2013 16:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Comments/Questions on draft-gutmann-tls-encrypt-then-mac-00.txt
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Adam Langley wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Bodo Moeller <> wrote:
>> So maybe the right fix to this kind of problem is to adapt an idea from
>> draft-rescorla-tls-version-cs-00 and create a signalling ciphersuite value
>> that would *only* be used in SSL 3.0 connections by clients that have
>> downgraded, and tells the server "If you can read this, tear down the
>> connection because we shouldn't actually be using SSL 3.0 for this
>> connection"?
> (I think I would want such an SCSV to indicate TLS 1.2 support rather
> than TLS 1.0 support, but that's just a detail.)

Instead of particular versions, it seems to me that an indicator of "I
tried to connect using a higher version than I'm using now but had to
fall back to this verion" would cover any case now or later.

The server would respond with an extension value indicating whether it
intends to communicate over the channel using the negotiated version or
not.  (It may be OK with a TLS 1.2 -> TLS 1.1 downgrade, but not to 1.0
or SSLv3, for example.)  Both sides would continue the handshake through
completion to ensure that everything is legitimate.