Re: [TLS] Fwd: I-D Action:draft-bmoeller-tls-falsestart-00.txt

Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@oracle.com> Fri, 16 July 2010 22:33 UTC

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From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@oracle.com>
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 09:11:15PM +0200, Martin Rex wrote:
> Nicolas Williams wrote:
> > It's likely that early start was Martin Rex's idea first.  At one more
> > more IETF meetings we discussed TLS + GSS-API options extensively in
> > various IETF jabber rooms (which, IIRC, are archived).
> 
> We also talked about it in Jabber during an IETF Meeting, but
> IIRC we discussed it first on the TLS WG mailing list in july 2007,
> where I suggested this optimization to cut down on the number of round
> trips, since Larry considered the number of round trips very important:
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg01911.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg01917.html
> 
> I was applying to TLS the GSS-API v2 "PROT_READY" idea,
> which was originally proposed by Bob Blakley in the CAT WG in 1995.
> 
> 
> Also, I didn't like the idea of messing with the existing TLS handshake
> internals, and favoured to perform the GSS-API handshake immediately
> after the TLS handshake (potentially piggy-backing the Finished
> messages).
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg01906.html

Thanks for the links!  BTW, the jabber logs are here:
http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/

I've not searched for them all, but the logs are likely of the krb-wg,
kitten, tls and saag rooms.  Here's a relevant one:

http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/tls/2007-07-24.html

Nico
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