Re: [TLS] (offline) Re: Draft for SM cipher suites used in TLS1.3

Paul Yang <> Sun, 18 August 2019 11:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] (offline) Re: Draft for SM cipher suites used in TLS1.3
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No, I just found the 'RelaxNG' (The [RNC] ISO/IEC reference in
RFC8428) has free specifications (Standardized by OASIS) other than
the ISO version, check: So it's not only
available for paying a fee.

I think we need to provide such stuffs alongside the ISO files
mentioned in our draft.

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 4:10 PM Kepeng Li <> wrote:
> >Can you point to specific drafts where *normative* references are only available for paying a fee?  I guess that there are some, but I don’t know of any.
> This is one example:
> [RNC]; ISO/IEC, "Information technology -- Document Schema Definition Language (DSDL) -- Part 2: Regular-grammar-based validation -- RELAX NG", ISO/IEC 19757-2, Annex C: RELAX NG Compact syntax, December 2008.
> Kind Regards
> Kepeng
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> 发件人:Salz, Rich<>
> 日期:8月16日 23:06
> 收件人:Kepeng Li<>
> 输入主题Re: [TLS] (offline) Re: Draft for SM cipher suites used in TLS1.3
> >How does the other IETF drafts make the references to ISO documents? ISO documents are often referenced by IETF drafts.
> Can you point to specific drafts where *normative* references are only available for paying a fee?  I guess that there are some, but I don’t know of any. Your claim implies definitive knowledge, however.
> In general, the IETF tends to dislike using standards where the specification is not freely available in English. That last part, in English, is perhaps narrow-minded these days, but the IETF works in English.  Also, note that I said “tends to dislike” and didn’t claim a hard rule always enforced.  In the past, where there have been issues, it has been not uncommon to write internet-drafts and publish through CFRG; see for many examples. Sometimes they are published as individual stream RFC’s; see for a highly applicable example.
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