[TLS] Re: New Liaison Statement, "Liaison communication to IETF regarding draft-ietf-tls-mlkem"
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Thanks Nico for sharing your insights. I think this is useful discussion
and might help us make some use case for pure ML-KEM.
To be on the same page, framing the problem for clean discussion. Could
you please clarify which one of the following did you mean?
Outer TLS: Network layer: use pure ML-KEM
Inner TLS: Application layer: use ML-KEM + ECDHE
OR
Outer TLS: Network layer: use pure ML-KEM
Inner TLS: Application layer: use ECDHE
What I still find confusing in both cases is that if outer TLS is
long-lived, then performance benefit of pure ML-KEM (vs. ML-KEM + ECDHE)
should not be a valid argument. That is even if I accept that the
performance impact of ECDHE is significant, it is just one-time
bootstrapping cost for a connection that will be lasting for long-term.
What am I missing?
Best,
-Usama
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