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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000044d8df063dd2732d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's wrong with experiments in the experimental category? More comprehensive read through coming, but I do think the experimental category is supposed to be for experiments and useful. Astra mortemque praestare gradatim On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > We made a bunch of editorial changes after the comments > received at IETF-123 with which the commenters seem ok, > so the authors would like to ask if the chairs think this > is ready for WGLC. (We understand the plan is to park it > after that awaiting more implementation experience which > is fine.) > > There are no outstanding issues or PRs on the git repo. [1] > > Cheers, > S. > > [1] https://github.com/sftcd/wkesni > > On 02/09/2025 14:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > Internet-Draft draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09.txt is now available. It is a > work item > > of the Transport Layer Security (TLS) WG of the IETF. > > > > Title: A well-known URI for publishing service parameters > > Authors: Stephen Farrell > > Rich Salz > > Benjamin Schwartz > > Name: draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09.txt > > Pages: 18 > > Dates: 2025-09-02 > > > > Abstract: > > > > We define a well-known URI at which an HTTP origin can inform an > > authoritative DNS server, or other interested parties, about its > > Service Bindings. Service binding data can include Encrypted > > ClientHello (ECH) configurations, that may change frequently. This > > allows the origin, in collaboration with DNS infrastructure element= s, > > to publish and rotate its own ECH keys. Other service bindng data > > such as information about TLS supported groups is unlikely to chang= e > > quickly, but the origin is much more likely to have accurate > > information when changes do occur. Service data published via this > > mechanism is typically available via an HTTPS or SVCB resource > > record. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-wkech/ > > > > There is also an HTMLized version available at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tls-wkech-09 > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at: > > rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org > --00000000000044d8df063dd2732d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's wrong with experiments in the experimenta= l category?

More compreh= ensive read through coming, but I do think the experimental category is sup= posed to be for experiments and useful.

Astra mortemque praestare gradati= m

On Tue, Sep 2, 2025, 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Ste= phen Farrell <stephen.farre= ll@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:

Hiya,

We made a bunch of editorial changes after the comments
received at IETF-123 with which the commenters seem ok,
so the authors would like to ask if the chairs think this
is ready for WGLC. (We understand the plan is to park it
after that awaiting more implementation experience which
is fine.)

There are no outstanding issues or PRs on the git repo. [1]

Cheers,
S.

[1] https://github.com/sftcd/wkesni

On 02/09/2025 14:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> Internet-Draft draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09.txt is now available. It is a w= ork item
> of the Transport Layer Security (TLS) WG of the IETF.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0A well-known URI for publishing = service parameters
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors: Stephen Farrell
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rich Salz
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Benjamin Schwartz
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09.txt
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A018
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dates:=C2=A0 =C2=A02025-09-02
>
> Abstract:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We define a well-known URI at which an HTTP origin = can inform an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0authoritative DNS server, or other interested parti= es, about its
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Service Bindings.=C2=A0 Service binding data can in= clude Encrypted
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ClientHello (ECH) configurations, that may change f= requently.=C2=A0 This
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0allows the origin, in collaboration with DNS infras= tructure elements,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to publish and rotate its own ECH keys.=C2=A0 Other= service bindng data
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0such as information about TLS supported groups is u= nlikely to change
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0quickly, but the origin is much more likely to have= accurate
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0information when changes do occur.=C2=A0 Service da= ta published via this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism is typically available via an HTTPS or SV= CB resource
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0record.
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-ietf-tls-wkech/
>
> There is also an HTMLized version available at:
> https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tls-wkech-09
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://author-to= ols.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tls-wkech-09
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
> rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
>
>
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