Re: [Tm-rid] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on charter-ietf-drip-00-01: (with COMMENT)

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: "tm-rid@ietf.org" <tm-rid@ietf.org>
CC: "drip-chairs@ietf.org" <drip-chairs@ietf.org>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
Thread-Topic: [Tm-rid] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on charter-ietf-drip-00-01: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Tm-rid] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on charter-ietf-drip-00-01: (with COMMENT)
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Alissa and Ben,

Thank you for your comments and let's work to fix all ambiguities... 

TM-RID list members can you please comment on Alissa & Ben's reviews ?
- Alissa: we need to expand UAS as "Unmanned Aircraft System" at first use even if only to avoid being ambiguous
- Alissa: what is the subject of the "need to": is it "these requirements" or "those associated to the UAS identifier" or "UAS identifier", let's be clear on this
- Ben: indeed milestone are quite optimistic... adoption should be target and request for publication 6 month later ?
- Ben: should RID be trustworthy (my guess is yes of course as this is the main purpose of this group)

The DRIP charter will be reviewed today at 15H00 UTC, so, a prompt reply from the proponents of the list will be appreciated

-éric

On 20/02/2020, 06:10, "Tm-rid on behalf of Alissa Cooper via Datatracker" <tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of noreply@ietf.org> wrote:

    Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
    charter-ietf-drip-00-01: No Objection
    
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    COMMENT:
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    Two questions about this:
    
    "* Requirements: the WG is expected to provide an informational document that
    lists the technical requirements for applying IETF protocols to the UAS Remote
    Identification (UAS RID) - that is the system for identifying UA during flight
    by other parties. These requirements will also include those associated to the
    UAS Identifier that need to both meet some constraints as well as some specific
    properties."
    
    Is UA distinct from UAS?
    
    The last sentence doesn't parse properly for me. What is the subject of "need
    to"? Is this saying "requirements ... need to ... meet some constraints ...
    [and meet] some specific properties"? What does that mean?
    
    
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