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Andrei Gurtov <andrei.gurtov@liu.se> Tue, 29 March 2022 16:06 UTC

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Hello Jens,

Thanks for interest in DRIP and greetings from nearby Sweden.

Maybe you've heard about EU projects AiRMOUR and Corus-Xuam where we try 
to demo DRIP as a part of their tests.

https://airmour.eu/

https://corus-xuam.eu/

Btw, there is an interesting show from a Swiss company Involi about an 
add-on box for Remote ID, should we get them involved in DRIP?

https://dronelife.com/2022/03/27/remote-id-drone-tracker-leman-remoteid-from-involi-video/


BR Andrei
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On 24-Mar-22 10:45, Jens Finkhaeuser wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> since I am active through my employer in European drone research 
> (ADACORSA and COMP4DRONES projects to name just two), and our 
> speciality here is communications which relates to identification, I 
> read the draft with some interest. I fear a full analysis and review 
> would require more effort than I have managed to put into it.
>
> However, as a comment, it appears that the draft is very strongly 
> related to ASTM F3411, and maybe more so than immediately apparent. I 
> wonder how intentional that is?
>
> I ask for two reasons:
>
>  1. The EASA regulation referenced is not the most relevant, and
>     potentially a bit out of date; consequently, it is unclear how
>     well this proposal will work as-is in European airspace.
>  2. The assumptions made on communications technologies seem to
>     exclude some drone categories and use cases (which admittedly are
>     also a source of disagreement between some of our research partners).
>
>
> I'd be happy to bring more perspectives to this, but I am not sure 
> this is appropriate to the draft's intent.
>
> Jens
>

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