Re: [Drip] [Internet]Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-drip-arch-17.txt

"Stuart W. Card" <stu.card@axenterprize.com> Wed, 01 December 2021 04:24 UTC

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On 11/30/2021 7:40 PM, shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao) wrote:
> ...
> Editor-note-1:
> - I recall you have a comment regarding Figure 3. The original comment is as follows:
> 
> "Section 1.3 Figure 3 is confusing: the Observer _sees_ (or hears, or otherwise senses) UAS but does not _connect_ to them; the Observer can connect via the Internet to another USS (and thence via the DSS) for queries regarding the UAS"
> I will need your help to get a better understanding what is your proposing.
> 
> Per Bob's comment, Once we resolve Editor-note-1, we need to recheck the language in Editor-note-8, to make sure the logic in CS-RID still correct. Both Editor-note can be resolved at the same time.

I am just suggesting we revise the figure to distinguish between 
_observations_ and communications. It may be as simple as replacing some 
solid lines with dotted lines and adding a brief legend indicating what 
each of them means. Adam & I can try revising the ASCII art and writing 
the legend.

> Editor-note-2:
> - please provide text for change

As well as the replacement ASCII art for Figure 4; will do.

> Editor-note-3:
> - Per your previous comment (If I recall correctly), either Bob or Adam needs to double check if language in this section is correct.

Preferably both of them. ;-)

> Editor-note-4:
> - I will try to cover this one, which is citing Req numbers in section 5

Then have Adam verify it against his embryonic registry draft.

> Edtior-note-5:
> - regarding the title of section 6 "DRIP Identifier Trust". The original text came from Adam and you asked why we don’t we use the word "“authentication”.
> Should we change the tile of section 6 from "DRIP Identifier Trust" to "DRIP Identifier Authentication"?

It was just a question. I am not requesting a change. It just struck me 
as strange that Section 6 is the brief architectural skeleton that is 
fleshed out in Adam's authentication formats/protocols draft, yet the 
latter has "authentication" in its title and the former does not. I like 
the concept of trust as broader than (although starting with) 
authentication, provided we really are going to say something broader 
than authentication here. Rather than change the title, I would be in 
favor of saying a few more words about identifier trust, including some 
discussion of how an Observer can determine that an observed UA is being 
flown by an operator who is registered in a registry that Observer 
trusts to vet and register only trustworthy operators.

> Editor-note-6:
> - I will try to cover this one, which is citing Req numbers in section 7

Then have Bob verify it against his drafts.

> Editor-note-7:
> - Bob suggest move Section 3 to Section 2.4. My personally has no issues since it is all about new DRIP terminologies. I will make that changes until I heard differently.

I completely agree with the move.

Thanks!
> On 11/30/21, 10:51, "Stuart W. Card" <stu.card@axenterprize.com> wrote:
> 
>      Shuai (as -arch editor) et al --
> 
>      Other than writing a sentence for the body text indicating that some of
>      the entities and relationships in the new Figure 4 are just context and
>      outside the scope of DRIP, and assisting with revision of Figure 3, I am
>      having trouble finding the action items specifically assigned to me?
> 
>      Thanks.
> 
>      -- Stu
> 
>      On 11/10/2021 10:32 PM, shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao) wrote:
>      > DRIP Enthusiast,
>      >
>      > Revision 17 is uploaded which is trying to address the comments received
>      > during IETF week. Please see attached emails thread for previous
>      > conversations.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      >
>      > Shuai
>      >
>      > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      >
>      >
>      > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-drip-arch-17.txt
>      > has been successfully submitted by Shuai Zhao and posted to the
>      > IETF repository.
>      >
>      > Name:draft-ietf-drip-arch
>      > Revision:17
>      > Title:Drone Remote Identification Protocol (DRIP) Architecture
>      > Document date:2021-11-10
>      > Group:drip
>      > Pages:26
>      > URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-drip-arch-17.txt
>      > <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-drip-arch-17.txt>
>      > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-drip-arch/
>      > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-drip-arch/>
>      > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-drip-arch
>      > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-drip-arch>
>      > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-drip-arch-17
>      > <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-drip-arch-17>
>      >
>      > Abstract:
>      >    This document describes an architecture for protocols and services to
>      >    support Unmanned Aircraft System Remote Identification and tracking
>      >    (UAS RID), plus RID-related communications.  This architecture
>      >    adheres to the requirements listed in the DRIP Requirements document.


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